Episode 60: Upcycling Fashion & Saving Lives One Mask at a Time | Jillian Clark | Founder of Roboro6
Jillian Clark is the founder of Roboro6, an upcycled apparel company that turns scrap materials from film sets, theaters, and local factories into brand new, beautiful items. When the COVID-19 pandemic hit, she pivoted overnight to producing face masks, creating a unique business model that also sponsors masks for the medical community. Her journey from dance and theater to entrepreneurship reveals how creativity, sustainability, and social impact can align. Jillian shares the environmental wake-up call that came from learning about waste in film, TV, and fashion, how she built a business from repurposed materials, and why mindful consumption matters now more than ever. This is a story about starting where you are, taking action, and making a difference from home.
“I knew I had to do something bigger than myself. I had to contribute. That’s when I learned the global effects of the fashion industry.”
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Chapters
00:00 Meet Jillian Clark
04:05 From Dance and Theater to Fashion Entrepreneurship
08:20 Founding Roboro6 and Upcycling Materials
12:45 How the Pandemic Pivoted Her Business Overnight
17:35 Designing Masks That Support Frontline Workers
22:15 The Global Impact of the Fashion Industry
27:00 Mindful Consumption, Spending, and Waste
32:10 Lessons from Working in Film, TV, and Fashion
36:25 Building a Business with Social Impact
40:45 Why Sustainability Is About Small, Daily Choices
45:15 How to Support Roboro6 and Get Involved
Just after our most recent election suddenly felt like I needed to do something bigger than myself. I needed to contribute somehow, and that's when I learned the global effects of the fashion industry.
That's Jillian Clark and this is The Powerful Ladies Podcast.
Hey guys, I'm your host, Kara Duffy, and this is The Powerful Ladies Podcast. Where I invite my favorite humans, the awesome, the up to something, and the extraordinary to come and share their story. I hope that you'll be left, entertained, inspired, and moved to take action towards living your most powerful life.
So many of us have been pivoting our businesses since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic. Prior to the Pandemic Jillian's business was Upcycled apparel. Her business Robo Six took in scrap materials from film sets, theaters, local factories, and more to create brand new, beautiful items. As she saw the impact of the pandemic spreading around the world, she pivoted to creating face masks and hasn't taken a day off yet.
On this episode, we discuss her unique face mask business model that includes sponsoring masks for the medical community. How her past life of dance and theater brought her to la, how learning more about the waste in film, TV, and fashion birthed her current business, and how now more than ever, we all need to be more mindful of what we're consuming, spending and wasting all that, and so much more coming up.
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All right. Welcome to the Powerful Ladies Podcast.
Thank you so much for having me. Excited to be here. Of course.
Yeah. And thank you for being part of our recordings while in quarantine.
Yes. That's social distancing. We've gotta keep it up. Yes.
Let's begin by I'd love it if you would introduce yourself and tell everyone listening like who you are and what you're up to normally and what you're up to now with what's going on.
Yeah. So yeah, my name's Jillian Clark. I I have a company or I own a company called Robo. We are an upcycled services and design studio, and our whole mission is to reduce textile waste. Very cool. Yeah. And what we're doing at the moment, as most people that own a fashion brand or a fabric company, or a sewing sheen everyone's taken to the call to arms to make masks, medical masks.
And I'm now on week three. I've completely transitioned my West Side studio, my, my workshop into a, like a medical mask manufacturing facility.
So I know it's so wild how quickly everyone has, pivoted because we've had to.
And one, why did you say I can provide, like how quickly were you like, I can provide that service, I have to do this now, and then how easy has it been to transition your, manufacturing into that?
Because you were making lots of things before. Yeah. And now to streamline to one thing. Like how did it all happen?
How it started honestly was, I wanna say probably three or four weeks ago, like just before this really kicked off here, I was watching what was going on, in Europe and my what made me.
Take a moment and pause and realize I was maybe gonna have to like re-strategize or shift was my, I had a lot of meetings lined up. I was gonna start working with a manufacturer in downtown, which was exciting. Like very Downtown la Yeah, exactly. And those meetings started to get pushed back and then get canceled.
I had a photo shoot scheduled that then got canceled and it was kinda like, again, before everything kicked off and I realized oh, this is gonna be, this is gonna be big and I'm a small business. Yeah. Like I still have like side hustles. It's not bringing in a lot of revenue for me. And had the realize not yet.
Yet. Exactly. Yet. And so I, I had the realization. I was like, this is gonna get big, this is gonna get bad, and I could potentially lose the company. Or I can re-strategize. I can think about what I can do, how can I help and how can I try and find a way to stay afloat? And there's a couple upcycled textile companies in China that I follow, and a couple of them started posting on Instagram that they were making just like fashion masks.
They weren't advertising them as like non-medical. It was just, fashion tends to mirror society and what's going on. And so I was like, oh that's funny. That's gonna start to become like a fashion statement. And like was toying with the idea for a minute. And then a couple days later I started seeing posts, nurses, doctors, running out of medical masks.
I was like, this is something I can do, I can help.
And
so set up a program where customers can sponsor a medical mass. People, people who can't sew. Everyone's wanting to help with this, but not everybody has the means. And so I thought if I'd set up a sponsorship program, it would give people who didn't have the means to sew the opportunity to support the mission.
And spent a morning checking in with my, like moral compass. 'cause I also was like not wanting it to appear, like I was trying to like, make money off of a crisis or anything, but like recognizing this is somewhere I could jump in. And it took off like a wildfire. Within the first five days I had a thousand masks sponsored.
And then people started making requests for masks for themselves. And then, the LA Mayor Eric Garcetti just recently made the announcement that all Angelinos should be wearing masks as they go out into public. And it's just been, balls to the wall since then.
Yeah. So I imagine you're working like 20 hour days.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But luckily as I had mentioned, I did, I was starting to get systems in place to be able to scale, being a small business, I was definitely positioning myself to, to scale up operations. And so those pieces were already in the works, which has actually made the transition much smoother.
Not easy by any means. Yeah. But I did already have some systems in place that has allowed me to take larger orders, to really like. Fulfill, like I was worried the first couple days that I wasn't gonna be able to fulfill orders and was disappointing 'cause I had hospitals reaching out and nurses and doctors.
I've shipped already to Nebraska, Florida, Georgia. We got an order from Switzerland. And so I really wanted to find a way to, to contribute and,
Yes. So far so good.
And what's your website? So everyone that's listening right now is like ready to jump on and order some or sponsors?
Yeah.
Yeah. So our website is Robo six, robo spelled R-O-B-O-R-O six com. Awesome.
Okay. And have you been surprised at. Like how simple it was to switch over? Or have you been more surprised at how many people just jumped on and suddenly, I imagine your website is having more attention now than it ever has.
You know what's funny is I didn't even have a website before this. So I've had the company for three years. I started the company in 2017. It's three years ago. But I had to rebrand it recently. We went through a whole name change, a whole rebrand. So the website was still just a landing page.
'cause this rebrand happened just a couple months ago. And as I said, I still have to, the side hustles. It's a slow growth. Yes. And so I've just been functioning off of a landing page in my Instagram account. And when I even first started the masks, I just had people sending me through PayPal.
I didn't even have an online shop set up. And it was like day three that I'm like manually tracking the orders through PayPal, putting 'em in a spreadsheet, like where's everything going? And then people were starting to email and text wanting like confirmation. It was like, oh no, I need to streamline this.
I need to like, so got an online shop up and now all of again, that's one of the systems that's just made it possible for me to continue to like, turn these out and make sure my attention is where it needs to be. I'm not a particularly tech savvy person, so spending my time like in spreadsheets and responding to emails and like tracking all of that is not where I want my attention to be.
I, I, yeah, I can do it. I don't enjoy doing it. So yeah, having. Having that website up and having the shop live has been a game changer.
Yeah. Yeah. And it's also proof that you don't need anything to start. So many people get stopped. It's I'll start when I have a website, or I'll start when I have a logo.
I'll start when I have. Yeah. But you don't, you're like, Nope, I had an email and an Instagram. Yeah.
I completely agree. It's really, that's how I started the company when I first started it, it was called me We Clothing brand. And just had an idea. It's I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna start.
I feel like you can always, like you're saying, you can always get caught up. You can get in your own way. It's it's not perfect, it's not ready. And my mindset is it's never gonna be perfect and it's never gonna be ready. I'm never gonna be ready unless I just do it and figure it out.
There's de and there's definitely been times where I wish. I had maybe been a little bit more prepared, but I've always managed to like land on my feet so far. So yeah.
How did you get into upcycling, textiles and apparel?
So
it
can, as it seems like most small businesses come to life, I saw a problem and a gap that I had the means to address.
I was actually listening to the podcast where you were interviewed recently and you had started the nonprofit helping people find funding for nonprofit. Sounds like you had the same approach of I tried to do this and it was difficult. So that's when I started a company, and that's exactly where robo came from.
I was working in film. I'm actually from Boston, which sounds like you also
Congratulations. Yes. And you,
yes. Boston Pride. I was working at the Boston Ballet Company in the costume department and working backstage, and was designing for some fin fringe theater companies. Was, very involved in the theater community and then came out to la I worked on a couple films in Boston and had my sights set on something a little bit bigger than, regional theater and came to LA and was working as a costume designer in tv, film, commercial.
And it was a couple years after I was here that it started to really, wear on me. And I was starting to become more and more aware of the amount of waste that was produced on film sets. Everything from like catering, being thrown away to scripts, being printed out every day for every department.
Even, my own department costumes, just like we overbought or one thing that kind of, I didn't really like this, the system of buying and returning. It felt like it could if you're buying from a small business, that hurt the small business. And then I also felt funny about working with these big budgets and supporting all these fast fashion brands.
It's we've got all of this money, why don't we support local businesses, small businesses? And it was funny. I had never really I'd always been in entertainment and the arts and I had never really considered the business world like that. And it was like a fun new little, like a hobby for me to start researching and I started researching the fashion industry, which I had never really been interested in. I'd always been costume, historical costume and theater. That was my world. Even though, yeah, costume and fashion are so intertwined, it had never been much of an interest to me. So yeah, just like in an effort to look at the film industry and be like, how can I make this more?
How could I do this more sustainably? That's when I thought about I'm gonna stop using the plastic water bottles on set. I'll bring my own water bottles, my own utensils. And, I talked with a couple different friends who were also all in production and we had an idea to make a short film fully sustainable and go to each department and figure out where their largest sources of waste were, address them, and make a film.
And that would be the intention of the film. It wouldn't be like a documentary or anything. It'd be like a, a fictional story. And people loved the idea, but we couldn't get funding for it. 'cause sustainability, like to do something sustainably is always more expensive. So everyone was like, that's admirable, that's great.
It's too expensive.
Which was a little discouraging. But also it was good. It readjusted my perspective. I had to I decided to think a little bit smaller instead of tackling the film industry as a whole. I went back Yeah. From A to Z. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I'm slightly ambitious sometimes. I appreciated Me too.
I went back to my skillset, my department costumes. It's like, all right let's dive into this fashion world a little bit more. Let me educate myself more on these companies that I'm supporting and who I'm shopping from. And I watched the documentary the True Cost. Have you heard of it?
Yes, it's, yeah, it's one of those things, once I saw it, I couldn't unsee it. Like I, that was now what I was doing. And so how it first started was in my design work when I was designing, I no longer, I would talk to producers. I don't shop from fast fashion brands. We're gonna, things will take me a little bit longer.
I need more prep time. It'll probably be more expensive. But that was just a decision I made for myself. And it probably impacted the type of jobs I was hired for because it does make things more expensive. But I felt more at peace with the work I was doing. Yeah. And then that idea just grew from there.
Over the years, I had collected fabric from every theater company, TV show, movie that I had worked on. I had a room full of fabric. It was like, one day I'll make something with these things. And then realized I can upcycle. Production fabric into new products. That was like a, so it turned, it started as a hobby.
Started talking to people about it. People were really excited by the idea. I was like, all right this might be a thing. And then I applied for just a couple, like markets in la Like the first, I think the very first market I did was artists and fleas in Venice, on Abbott Kinney. And the response was great.
People would come by the booth and a lot of people didn't know what upcycling meant. They didn't know, the global effects of fast fashion. Like they didn't know the, that textile waste, was a problem. And so it was really a great, that first summer that I started doing markets was a great opportunity to chat with people and gauge the interest level.
It's,
yeah, that was three years ago. And for people who don't know, what are some of the key factors of the waste in fashion and apparel? Textiles and fast fashion? Yeah.
Yeah. So the easiest number to share that kind of shocks people the most is that fashion is the second most polluting industry.
The first being oil. So we have oil and then fashion, which is. At a glance, hard to wrap your mind around. But then if you think about how many people there are, on, on the earth everyone wears clothes of some sort and it's usually you've got a closet full of clothing and you're constantly consuming and donating or throwing away.
So it's just a constant cycle of consumption. And with the fast fashion industry growing at the rate, it does fast fashion being stores like h and m and Zara and Top Shop, they have a really high turnaround. Yeah. It has increased our consumption. We're now expecting to get affordable, trendy clothes every other week, new styles.
So that has only increased the amount of clothing that is being thrown away or donated. So it's starting to really choke our landfills, choke countries that take our secondhand clothing have been burdened with a real, like an increased amounts to the point that countries are starting to reject it.
They're not taking it. So we have to find, waste solutions. So it, it all kind of ties into the same world is single use plastic people starting to recognize that this really amazing material that's made our lives super convenient we're now surrounded by Yeah, and it's similar with fashion and te not just fashion, but also like textiles, just soft goods fabric.
When you throw it away, it doesn't. Go away. It just goes and sits in a landfill. And if it's not a natural fiber, it doesn't break down.
And and there I know this is such a passion topic for me. Yeah. So I, I worked in foot and apparel for 20 years and it's so much fun to make stuff and it's so frustrating to know how wasteful so much of it is.
Yeah.
And there's always been for myself and a lot of my friends in the industry, this catch 22 of how can we make things and really love the process of making and. Balance it out with not being wasteful and like, how can you find the joy in something new and not always make it feel like you're ruining the entire world by doing it.
Yeah, no, it's real. It's I've almost turned it into a game for myself. Yeah. I did as I was starting the company, I did do a little bit of an overhaul on my lifestyle. I was like let's dive into this. Let's figure out how to live plastic free. Let's try being zero waste, which is very difficult.
I, set myself a goal. I was gonna buy everything secondhand, which of course you can't buy everything secondhand, but it's good to, to set a goal and then strive for it, even if you're not a hundred percent there. Yeah. But anytime I have to buy something new, it's like a whole emotional rollercoaster of can I, yeah.
Can I find a sustainable and ethical brand to get it from? If I can't, then what's the lesser of two evils? It's a whole process. So I, but it's also nice 'cause then I don't have buyer's remorse. I know it. I've researched it and I'm happy with the decision I made. Yeah. And it's, I, yeah, it's totally taken away.
The impulse shopping.
And there's so much behind all of it. So there's a great book, I don't know if you've read it yet inconspicuous Consumer or Consumption? I do
not. I'm gonna make it notes. It's by Tatiana
Slosberg. Okay. It's a, it's relatively new. She's an environmental writer based in New York, and she really dives into five areas that most people can understand where all the waste is and breaks it down.
Yeah.
But I don't think people realize when you look at fashion waste, it's not just the garments themselves, it's the shipping and all the airplanes and boat shipping. Yeah. It's the packaging for shipping, the packaging for getting it to customer.
Yeah.
The fact that half of fashion is using synthetic materials.
Yeah. Which all ties back to oil. Yeah. Let alone like the waste that we see as individuals. Yeah. And when I was doing research for. The financial and budgeting class that I teach, we, I was looking at trying to explain to people how being minimalistic in any area of your life, not only can it help the environment, but it can help your budget.
But it was also looking at giving people numbers that they could compare things to. Because I hate when people throw numbers out and they're doing that all the time right now. Yeah. With the news. Yeah. You see a number and it's a, it's is it big or small? I don't know. 'cause there's no comparison, like it's horrible when anyone dies, but I don't know what are other things? What's normal number? And so what I wanna make sure there was a comparison. And so I went back to the time when people had to be the most frugal, like the Great Depression. And during the Great Depression, most women had 26 items in their closet.
Today most women have over 200 items in their closet, but we only wear. Like 15. Yeah. Yeah. Which is so like when you look at the gap and there's so much that I find interesting in how we close the gap of having 200 plus things when you add and choose accessories bags.
Yeah.
And people who had 26 and we're fine.
'Cause it speaks to like slowing down Yes. And making decisions or doing research. It speaks to like knowing who you are and what your style is and really what you wear. It speaks to like only choosing what you love and goes into the Marie Condo space. Yes. It speaks to are you spending your money where your values are?
And to me it's such an interesting psychological thing to go into. And one of my favorite brands right now is a more vert Oh yeah. They're they're fully, they're, I don't know if they're fully sustainable. They're highly sustainable. Yeah. Most things are made in the US and. I just every time I wear those clothes, I'm like, no, I love this.
And I can feel good. Like it's not something that I thought about before and it's like an extra bonus when I'm wearing that versus something else.
Yeah, I love that. And that's it's something that I think most people don't give enough credit to. A, aside from Rob, as I mentioned, I still, I'll still do the production work and I do just like independent like styling and contracting work and that, that's all been like a kind of a new channel for me.
The kind of the in per, like the consulting and whatnot, and it's all come together with this one. Basically. I was trying to find a way to tie in all of these different industries I've worked in. I now, I now have a fashion brand and I've worked in production, but I'm also like heavily ingrained in the sustainability world.
And I was recently kinda sitting down was like, I feel like I need to give myself a mission statement. Like the way I've run robos, like I need to do this for myself and understand what's like motivating me and what I came to is what interests me is what we wear and why we wear it.
Because I've never considered myself like a fashion person. I didn't go to fashion school. I'm not particularly interested in trends or fashion week or, what the celebrities are wearing. What I'm interested in is what you just said in that what people wear and the choices they make are specific to themselves.
And it is specific to their values, their aesthetic, their, what makes them feel confident and realize that's the same thing that I was doing in entertainment. As a costume designer you're reading a character on the page and you're finding a way to bring that character to life, to tell a story about them through what they wear.
Yeah. And like my personal values, I value, sustainability and ethical business practices. So everything I wear has to represent that. It doesn't, maybe like someone I'm passing on the street isn't gonna know that about my outfit, but I know it. And that's what's I find most interesting. Like recently I've been listening to a lot of different podcasts and there's a program, I actually don't know when it was started, but I know it's fairly recent at the London College of Fashion the Psychology of Fashion.
Which I
think is fascinating. 'cause fashion it's a commentary on society. It's like an anthropological study. It's a psychological study. And that is really interesting to me.
Same, yeah. Anything that can cross over the economics and not like the financial economics, but the 'cause economics is really the study of the numbers behind the anthropology.
So wherever you can cross over the economics and the anthropology and get to the why and the habits. Yeah. That is my favorite genre of all knowledge. Like all of it. Yeah. And so I think there is so much there to see and we see the data being sold, right? Facebook has it, Google has it, Amazon has it.
Yeah, all these people are selling that data about us, but we don't know it about ourselves. And for at least in Western culture, when we're so obsessed with taking personality tests and I recommend StrengthFinder to my clients 'cause it shows you something. And there's Myers-Briggs and Grams, like all these things, there's all this information that pe other people know about us more than we know now.
And I think it's gonna be very interesting to see that spin full circle where, what are we learning about ourselves that we can then use to make choices? Like the most tangible example we have is when iPhone started tracking your time and telling you about it. Yes. They were already tracking it.
We just didn't have the results. Now they're sharing the results and now we get to choose, which I think is really where the democracy of tech and choices and buying habits and everything's gonna come from. What do you choose?
Yeah.
'Cause there's so many things that we. Don't choose every day because we're not paying attention to it.
We're not present. We don't even know. It's a choice we get to make.
Yeah.
So I, I think that whole world is fascinating. I also think what's really interesting is how we dispose of items. I'm a little bit obsessed with from when I lived in Germany, they were, they are the number one ranking country for recycling.
And I think part of the reason that they are is because they have every individual sorting their items. Like you have to sort it into paper, plastics, metals, glass, and glass is even sorted by color. Yep. Like you have to do it. Compost has to come out. There's this, they are really clear of telling people where to put your stuff when you're done with it.
It's not like you're done put it in a trashcan. It's no, it's done. And it needs a second life. So you have to split it up. Like even things like taking the cap off of your toothpaste and it gets recycled separately than the tube. Yeah. I'm fascinated by who is doing that recycling? Is it working, is it not?
And just if you look at just the trash industry in general, in the us like you mentioned, we send a lot of our trash to other people.
Yeah.
And there are certain countries like China who are now rejecting our waste because they have enough of their own to deal with.
So what are we doing with our waste and where like, how do we keep things out of the landfill?
Like to me, there's not enough steps. Yeah. Like I'm always talking about sales funnels for people in their businesses and. And this is so funny how it's switching between my consulting space and this financial class. 'cause it really overlaps because when you're trying to make money and you're in a bind, I tell everyone to like, go through your house and get rid of everything.
And here's a hundred ways to sell it for the most money before you donate it. Yeah. There's lots of ways.
Yeah.
But then once you donate it, there's still so many steps between donating and the trash that I don't think most people have visibility to or awareness. And it freaks me out over, I think it was like two days after Christmas this year, a guy, dressed corporate casual knocks on my door and he gives me a flyer and it's from our local trash company. And it's telling everyone like, please sort your trash. Please pull out your compost. 'cause we do that here in Costa Mesa.
Yeah.
And because Orange County, California has 10 of the largest landfills in the us. Wow. And I was like, wait, what?
I didn't realize that I, it. Yeah. I have the paper. I'll have to, I'll send you a screen grab of it later. But I was like, yeah, about that. I'm like, wait, hold on. Like we have orange County's one of the wealthiest counties in the us Why is it the largest landfill? Yeah. And who, like, why don't we have this stuff set up to deal with it?
Most things that are in the landfill do not need to be there. 100% Makes me crazy.
I think it's a lot of it's visibility and transparency. It's like what you were saying in that we were not aware, we're not present. We're so busy that, if there's a system in place where we don't have to think about it, that's what the majority of people are gonna do.
And just as a, it's just a a societal difference here in, in the US compared to places like, Europe or Australia, that have really
Taken the sustainability mission to a whole new level that we haven't done here. Maybe different cities or different counties, but as far as like a countrywide movement, we, I like, there's the quote there's no such thing as a way when you so throw something away.
It doesn't just magically disappear, it goes somewhere. And for the most part, like I said, we sh we ship it overseas and now that countries are rejecting it and we are having to deal with it ourselves. We're starting to see how much we produce. It's so true. That outta sight outta mind. And now that the visibility is being forced upon us, we're seeing this huge movement, no, no single use plastic, no straws, no plastic bag.
That's all new because China's not taking our recycling anymore, so we're having to figure it out. There's it's terrible. I can't remember the organization, but there's a handful of countries in Africa that we used to send all of our secondhand clothes to. Yes. And it was a year or two ago they said, no more we're gonna rebuild our own textile industries.
We're mostly sending. Low quality, fast fashion clothes that they can't even resell. We're basically sending them waste.
And that's been a huge hit. Now we have nowhere to send that. And that's going to, I think, lead to more and more people becoming aware. Like when you Yeah. Donate your clothing.
If you drop it at the local goodwill, only 20% stays in the us. 80% of your donated clothing is shipped abroad. So that was one thing I set myself a mission of was learning how to donate more responsibly. And just realize that you need to donate to nonprofits that don't have the means to ship abroad.
So I personally, I get a lot of secondhand clothing donated to Robo. And anything I can't upcycle, I bring to the Downtown Women's Center. So like donating responsibly is all, it's all part of that like lifestyle change. But it's not easy.
It's not. And, sometimes I get made fun of by my boyfriend, but in our garage I have here's our box for e-waste stuff.
Here's our, yeah. We try and resell any clothing we can and we'll donate it. And then we have a box of textiles that just need to be recycled or shredded or made into dog beds or something else. We're trying so hard not to put things in the garbage if we can't. And I think if I really encourage people to take on a just try to have zero waste for one month. See if you can do it.
Yeah.
Or can you have one trash bag? Trash bag for a whole month?
Yeah.
And because you st when you realize that you are responsible for getting rid of all of your stuff, if somebody tries to give you packaging, you almost yell at them.
I don't want
it like, yeah, do not put that in my hand. Do not put that, I'm not bringing that in my house. If it's in my house, I have to keep it like, no. But it really is a different perspective and yeah. There are so many ways that we can recycle grade things and we can but a lot of it comes to keeping it clean, which is why I think Germany does such a great job because if you're forced to separate, cardboard or paper from other stuff, it's gonna, especially from organic materials, it's gonna stay cleaner and then it can be recycled easier.
Exactly.
Exactly. Whereas
you, if you throw everything in a pile, some poor person or machine has to separate it, who knows how good it is. And then you're stuck cleaning things before you can even start to really recycle them.
Or or you can't, or you can't recycle 'em. Some, a lot of times things are like the words escaping me.
But if you've got the takeout containers, that's why you can't recycle like greasy pizza boxes. 'cause the grease will just ruin the whole batch. So it's, yeah. Yeah. But once you, it does get easier for anyone who's gonna try and do the zero waste thing. Like it does get easier. Like my biggest, like heartbreaking sacrifice was Trader Joe's, EV I love Trader Joe's.
Everything comes in a plastic bag. And I've had to there was a point where I finally had to make a decision. It's either I am not buying things wrapped in plastic, or I'm not eating and I need to eat. Yeah. So there are things where you're going to learn where your, you know where your boundaries are.
But there's again another quote of we don't need everyone doing, we don't need a million people. What is it? We don't need everyone doing zero waste perfectly. We need most people doing it imperfectly or,
Something like that. Yeah.
And one of the best gifts that my mother's ever given me this year, she gave all of us a bunch of different size of the fruit bags, like produce bags.
Oh
Yeah.
And they're awesome. We use them all the time. Yeah. And before I just would never use 'em in those plastic bags 'cause it was just dumb.
And, but now it's actually really nice to be able to like, put them in a bag properly. Yeah.
Just have six loose apples on the checkout.
Yeah. Yes. Hundred percent.
Or like a cart full of things like that. Yeah. But it's great. And then another thing that I've switched over to is washable reusable instead of cotton for your face textile pads.
Yep. Those are great. I love the beeswax food wraps. It's like the piece of cotton in the beeswax instead of saran wrapper plastic wrap.
Yeah. We're slowly transitioning all of our stuff out. Yeah. The most ridiculous one that I've tried is a washable Q-TIPS series.
I just got one of those.
Yeah. I don't, I'm not sure how I
feel about it yet.
Yeah. It makes me, it weirds me out, so I'm like, I feel okay using it for things like makeup application or things like that, but I'm like.
Cleaning out your ear seems a bit strange. And then you use Q-tips for so many things, like to, put ointment on a wound or I'm like, ugh. Yeah. There's some things
that you just need to be disposable. It's tough. I went through, it's a phase of making my own toothpaste.
Yep. Too, it's challenging myself too.
Which is great. I was able to do it and it worked. Didn't taste great, and it definitely felt like I was brushing my teeth with mud. Yeah. But it worked. And I tried it and I did it, and then it's you know what? This, I'm glad that I did it. Now let's find like an option because then I'd just run out of toothpaste and be like, I don't wanna make more.
So I've just yeah. Now you've watered down. Like I found one that I can recycle the toothpaste tube and that's just easier. And then there's the little toothpaste bites. There's so many options.
Yeah.
To fit like your comfort level and whatnot.
I actually really found when we've done our own toothpaste recipe, it's we just do a blend of coconut oil, baking soda and peppermint.
That's whole and that's all
mix. I do use the, like the oil pulling with coconut oil, that, that was a game changer. It's amazing.
Yeah. Yes. But I find like the baking soda's just great for teeth whitening in general. Yeah. 100%. I, that was always part of my
like, recipe. I think the one that I had, like there was some of the like clay.
And that's what gave it that like really pleasant mud to consistency.
So as we go into where your business was before it was masks what type of products were you making? Where were you selling them? What could people expect if they're like, of course I wanna be buying upcycled things. Yeah. What were you offering?
So the way you know I've structured the company is I design based on the materials I get.
So all of the materials I use it's all textile waste, whether that's dead stock, fabric end cuts, or actual like little pieces of like scrap fabric. That after big production cuts of factories normally will just be thrown away or, recycled or processed in some way. So I would just look at my fabric inventory and kind of decide oh, this is a really cool silky material that would make for a nice top or, that sort of thing. The most popular item I do these up, I'll get secondhand denim jackets and embellish them. With cactus the most popular one has been a cactus pattern on the back. So I got these, I had this huge inventory of beautiful mud cloth scraps from a couple different home decor companies here in la and they're beautiful materials.
And these companies they held onto 'em 'cause they didn't wanna throw 'em away, but they were so small that they couldn't do anything with them. They made pillows and blankets and stuff. And I actually got the idea for the cactus jacket. I was on a trip, a New Year's trip to Mexico. And this was, it was on, it was actually on this trip that I came up with the idea for the company.
I'd already been making some stuff and upcycling and had already tried to do the film. And I think I was sitting in the Phoenix Airport on a layover, and finally was just like I'm gonna make, I'm gonna make some I think that's when we came up with the name and having just come back from Mexico is I feel like I wanna draw inspiration from where we just, where the colors, the tone, the patterns, and I had all of these beautiful materials.
I had the, like az techy patterns and I had, been living in Southern California for a couple years and a cactus was an easy pattern that was recognized by a silhouette.
And it
didn't matter what the material was, I could make a cactus silhouette out of any material and it would be immediately recognized.
And so I did a couple samples and they, they looked cool. Like they, they came up pretty great. And played with the design a bit, made a whole bunch, brought 'em to a market and they. They were hugely popular. A denim jacket is already like a classic piece. If you've got a denim jacket with a statement image, people love putting pins and patches.
And then to share the story behind it of it's a secondhand garment and it's embellished with textile waste. It's like people love garments that have a story. Yeah. And upcycling, it gets a, it's a process, it's labor intensive. So that it does tend to come with a slightly higher price point.
So something like a statement, denim jacket. People are willing. To spend a bit more. So that, that's definitely been the, our most popular item. Very cool. And then, yeah, again, like I said, like I was doing t-shirts, I was doing men's neck ties, recently started doing more lifestyle goods like tote bags and like yoga mat carriers.
It's the fun of working with textile waste is there's just like a world of options.
Yeah. You have the entire fashion and accessories world to tap into.
Yeah. I did have to give myself some parameters I realized when oh, I could literally make anything that's paralyzing.
Yeah. So I did have to come up with a way to give myself some, like I said some parameters to stick within and took the inspiration I got from that trip to Mexico. And at the time my, my. Partner and I at the time, were taking trips every New Year's and we'd go to a different city and realize I'm just going to use that trip each year to be the inspiration for that year.
So the first year was Mexico, so it was the cactus jackets for that year and like the mud cloth. And that was like the colors and the patterns. So at least if I was making a wide variety of products, at least the vibe was the same. Yeah. One year went to Quebec City and Canada, and I remember what I took away from that trip was I was really inspired by the way.
Different countries really like beautifully lived side by side up there. Where're in Canada, there's the indigenous population, there's the French population. And so that when I came back, had come up with this idea to do what's called re-roll fabric, where you take all the little pieces of fabric and you kind of puzzle piece 'em together and stitch it and you get it sounds like patchwork.
Yeah. But it creates this really beautiful texture and design. So that year I played with re-roll and that was inspired from that trip. So that's how I've at least the products I make sense together, even if they're all over the board.
Yeah. Yeah. How did you get into costume and to begin with?
Back in Boston?
Yeah. I discovered costume while I was at at school. I went to UMass Amherst out in Western Massachusetts. And I was originally a dance major. I had, I was a ballet dancer all growing up. And it was my sophomore year of college. I was just taking a history gen ed class and I had signed up for the history of fashion.
'cause it sounded more interesting than, I wasn't particularly interested in a world history class. This was just gonna be like an easy, I wa I just wanted to get an A and move on history of fashion easy.
And loved it. I found it. And it was not what I expected it to be. I expected it to be clothes and learning about designers and whatnot.
Which it was partially that, but it was much more a study on how world offense impacted fashion. How world wars, the depression women's rights, all of these things impacted fashion. And I had never looked at the industry. I never looked at clothing through that lens and found it really interesting.
And my professor had recommended that I take a couple costume design classes. She's if you like this, you might like this. And I had never been a theater person, like ballet and theater, they go hand in hand. But I was a dancer. I didn't, I wasn't necessarily behind the scenes.
I was always like the performer.
You
weren't part of the drama. You were a dancer. Yeah. Yes, exactly. She says with an air of drama. Yeah, just really took to the costume design. I liked the way, in the way that, like dancing, you translated an emotion to the stage. You could do the same with clothing for an actor.
And I switched majors I to like, I left the dance program and joined a program called the BDIC, which is a bachelor's degree with individual concentration. You basically get to build your own major. And like I've always, looking back, as you reflect back on your life and realize this is definitely a trend throughout my life where I don't take the linear route, I'm like, oh, that is what most people are doing.
Let me make it more difficult for myself. I'll do it this way. So that was like definitely an example. Like I had to choose my own major title, choose my own requirements. Of course you worked with mentors and whatnot, but yeah, you still had rules to follow, but yeah. But really it was your own making.
So I graduated with a degree in design for theater and dance with a focus on costumes. And when I graduated, I didn't. I liked, I went and spent a summer at a theater festival. I just I dove into every opportunity I could. I spent a semester abroad in London and took an internship at a theater company in Notting Hill so I could learn about running a box office and setting up a theater.
Like all these things I didn't know. And so I really just like dove into it. I move, like after I graduated, I moved to London for six months just to everyone needs that like headspace clearing time. After four years at school, came back and went into Boston and went around to all the companies that had costume departments.
I went to the A RT at Harvard. I went to the Huntington Theater at Boston University. I went to the Boston Ballet Company and just do you have internships? Can I come in, can I learn, can I get some on job? Onsite training and the ballet company. Called me back, which was a dream considering I had been a ballet dancer in Boston.
Ballet was always like the goal
Uhhuh,
so it felt poetic that the company I always wanted to work at. I now was working at potentially, in a different capacity than I had originally imagined. And I was there for four years and to this day is probably one of my favorite jobs that I had.
And yeah, started in the costume shop, transitioned into, splitting my time between the costume shop and working backstage as the assistant wardrobe supervisor started designing, small theater productions, which was a lot of fun. And then Mo there's a couple movies a year come through Boston, I pa on a couple films.
And honestly, what sold me on film was they fed you. You don't do that in theater. Yeah, this is great. They pay for my guests and they feed me. I moved to la of course more thought went into it than that, but yeah. Yeah. And yeah, that's came out to LA and just tried my hand at television and film.
It just kept leveling up the costume design game and then, everything. Realistically, everything changed after our most recent election suddenly felt like I needed to do something bigger than myself. I needed to contribute somehow. And that's when I learned the global effects of the fashion industry.
I was like I think this is, I think this is now what I'm doing. Close.
Yeah. I, there's, I think a lot of people have gotten onto that path as well of seeing that if you don't like the way something is happening or working or it can be done better. How can you do something about it?
Yeah. And I love that, that's how a lot of people feel right now. And I also love asking the question, going back to our conversation a bit earlier of how do we make it all happen? Yeah. So how can we make new, beautiful items and like still love all the. Parts of fashion that have no sustainability thoughts at all.
Like, how can we just make things look amazing and exciting and people be like a yes.
Yeah.
But how can we do that plus be sustainable and plus be responsible and how can we do it all? Yeah. Like you said earlier that sometimes you fall into the space of being too ambush ambitious.
Yeah.
And I'm like, good.
Like how do we get more people there? Like how do we check every box?
Yeah.
'Cause that's where the fun is. That's where changing something completely is gonna be. Like even now with they've someone quickly invented a method to sanitize the medical face masks, uhhuh. Like they've just come up with a way to do it where they basically just figure it out, hang them all into a thing and like steam 'em.
Or I, I do not know if steaming is the correct term, but it's basically they go into a chamber and they get cleansed and they come. And they can still use them a couple of times. Not forever, but it get, you get to use them more. Something. And it really is this, necessity is the mother of invention time.
Yeah.
And whether it's for your own business or for what we need to do on the front lines right now, I think so many of us feel this strange bipolarism and what's happening because most of us are in our house doing whatever we can to keep our business going or keep our sanity or keep some sort of normalcy.
Yeah.
And it can be so far removed from what's happening in a hospital right now. And the people in the hospital have no idea what's really happening for people who are at home. I've been working so hard since this happened, like so many hours that whenever I hear people be like talking about being bored, I'm like, just stop talking.
I'm be really glad that you're bored. Yeah. Be grateful that you are bored and that's where you're at. Because I don't know anyone right now that's bored. Everyone I know is working their ass off. And then we are even the people who aren't battling it on the front lines, so those people are exhausted.
Yeah. They're not sleeping, they're not eating. Like they don't even get to pee sometimes. Yeah. Because they can't change their PPE. So it's I don't think people are realizing the depth of sacrifice that a very small percentage of people are making for us right now. So that we have the privilege to stay home.
To stay home and be bored and have zoom happy hours with our friends.
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I think that there's definitely a line of we need to bring some of that reality to everyone else. And I think also if we compare it to like World War ii
Yep.
People. Everyone felt like they could do something to contribute.
And I think what's beautiful about your company right now is you're giving people an option to participate.
Yeah.
Like some people, all they can do, like my parents, all they can do is stay home and avoid everyone.
Yeah.
But what they, it's the best thing
they can do.
But what they can do is go online and sponsor some masks and still be a contribution without risking themselves or somebody else.
Yes. Exactly.
Thank you for making that a possibility for people.
Oh, my absolute pleasure. Just just grateful to be able to be able to help the people that are actually like. Keeping us all safe to, to have something to keep me occupied and busy because I don't deal well with having nothing to do as me neither. I think anyone who's entrepreneurial mindset, they need to be busy. Yes. So that has been helping me with just my mental health insanity. But yeah, it feels good to contribute and to help and I wanted other people to have that same feeling. So I'm grateful that the sponsorship program is offering that to people.
Yeah. How many masks are you producing a day?
So if I am like really cranking through 'em by myself without, having to do the social posts and the responding and the tracking, I can get through about 50 masks a day on my own. But of course I'm never just cranking through without having to do the social and the keeping up.
So I have I've been working on some here I have, I mentioned a manufacturer in downtown LA who's been like a lifesaver. They've been really great to work with. And then I've had just a couple friends volunteering. Again, people who can sew, who are like, can I help? Is there anything I can do?
So the system's in place right now is, I've got a couple different teams working on them at once. But yeah. Can, I personally can crank through about 50 a day.
Yeah. Yeah. And then if people put an order in today about how long is the lead time to get their order fulfilled? And I'm sure it matters their quantity, but like the quantity is what's the rough turn time?
So if you're getting one for your, so I have two options. You can sponsor a mask where you pay, and then they're donated to a hospital. And those ones are being made by the factory in, in, downtown. And those ones, it's about a week. And the personal masks, because the quantities are lower, you can sponsor, one to 10 to, I've had people sponsoring a hundred masks, so that takes a little bit longer.
Personal masks, I can get out in about a week. Yeah. Now that the, I think the first round of people who put in orders would argue they differently. They probably took them about two weeks or so, but now that the systems are in place and the workflow is going it's a much smoother turnaround time.
I still think that you should give yourself credit for having a two week lead time when you initially pivoted and now you're down to one. Within two weeks you are scaling faster than a lot of other industries. So thank you. Good job.
When you look back at your life and like the path you've taken and who you were as a kid and everything, would anyone have predicted that this is what you were doing now?
Pro I don't know if they would've predicted this specifically. I think probably wouldn't be surprised that it's something aesthetically driven, that it's something that is wanting to help in some way wanting to.
Help people wanting to help the planet, wanting to do good. I know, I think there was like a short while where I considered like the nonprofit sector, but like I also, my, my mom's worked in nonprofits for a long time and I've just seen that while it's rewarding work, it's not always financially rewarding.
Yeah. And like that just wasn't, I've got student loan debt, I've got bills to pay. Like that just wasn't, it wasn't necessarily an option. And I was always cur it curious if there was a way to do good and pay your bills. And so like there it's, there is, it's very exciting. So yeah, I don't think anyone would be surprised to see that this is, I.
The unique setup I've managed to curate for myself.
Yeah. We ask everyone on the podcast where they rate themselves on a powerful lady scale, zero being average, everyday human, and 10 being, exceptional, powerful lady. Where do you feel, on average, where do you feel today? And I think I'm going to even ask you for a double today number, because how would you have put yourself on average before the pandemic happened, and how would you put yourself now that you're in full mask making pivot mode?
All right. So on average, I would say at least recently, the past, like year or so, I'd probably put myself up at a seven or I think a seven's probably like a good average. Okay. Because everyone's a little like self-critical sometimes, but like you talk yourself outta that head space.
I think, and then what were the two you wanted me to double today? Before pandemic
and before pandemic. After pandemic. And today. Yeah. So before Sounds like a seven.
Before, probably like a seven. On a good day, like good day eight. I think now since pandemic I think I've been feeling particularly at the risk of sounding, I don't know, conceited like an eight or a nine.
Even the fact that I've it's been scary. There's definitely been days where I've had like meltdowns and I'm not gonna be able to fulfill this. I'm making promises I can't keep. And I've impressed myself that I've been able to figure it out and each challenge that has presented itself, I'll have a little meltdown and then I have to pick myself up and then figure it out.
And Grant, it's been two or three weeks now, so it's still like a very short period of time. But yeah, I've been, I think I'm doing pretty well. I'm pretty proud of myself. And today I put myself at an eight or a nine because like I said I gave myself today as a break and I haven't been really good at that the past couple weeks.
It's very much just I just need to keep going. I need to keep going. People have placed orders, I need to get these out. Like the doctors and nurses aren't, they aren't taking breaks. And if I'm wanting to help, who am I? And thinking that I deserve a night with a glass of wine and Netflix.
Yeah.
But if you don't give yourself a break and a rest, then you'll burn out and it's not sustainable and it's just hurting myself and hurting the cause in the long run. So like today, even like allowing myself. A little break. I feel pretty empowered by.
So yeah, I think I've been feeling, it's just weird in, in such like a strange, difficult time.
It has been like a weird silver lining that I, I feel like I've risen to a challenge.
No it's I think have the silver linings
for the situation, yes. Yeah. The the world global situation.
I think it's so important one to always be finding the silver linings, and some people wanna call it the purpose of why it's happening or whatever, you wanna frame it up at, but there really always is a lesson or a positive thing that you're getting out of every experience as, as hard as some of them can be. But I think that people get confused about. Happiness and where that comes from. And to me it comes from like having confidence and contentment in who you are and what you're up to.
And the only way that you get confidence is through like you said, rising through a challenge and it's super hard and you figure it out and you're like, oh, I can do that. And you get to put it in your belt and then you go on to the next thing and you, but you have to go through that hard phase in order to get the confidence, which allows you to have the happiness.
And I think so many people are trying to skip that and just be happy. And I'm like no. It's you, it's like a reward. It's not something you can just generate by like laying by being. Like still, but that's like the, not in the opposite way of you can be happy in yoga and meditation, like that's a different thing.
That's like a present, like harnessing of it. But in, in regards to expansion, happiness. Yeah. You really have to go through that. Either climb the mountain or go through the fire to earn it as a badge.
Yeah. I couldn't agree more. You have to appreciate it. To appreciate oh, I got here, I did it.
If it's just handed to you, if it just comes easily, it, you don't have the same level of appreciation. You don't. It's
You don't even acknowledge it half the time. Exactly.
You just, you're not aware. It just blows past you. And it's also then not a lesson that you can take onto the next time you run into a challenge if, if you've been completely challenged free.
When you do finally run into something, you don't have the tools to handle that. Yeah.
Yeah. Who are some women that have inspired you along the way? Oh, goodness.
So many I had mentioned like my mom has worked in the nonprofit and any mother-daughter relationship, we've definitely, like my teenage years, they probably weren't great for her.
But. She is, she's definitely one who has had to overcome a lot. She hasn't had an easy go of it.
But she always figures it out. And that's been, that's, it's been a good thing for me to watch and especially I think any woman who's come from earlier generations too my mom is a strong feminist and she's what I, learned, what feminism was.
And coming from a different generation, I feel like we, I owe it to the women who did that sort of work earlier to keep up that fight. 'cause, otherwise it was all for n Yeah. So absolutely that kinda learning from her and learning from like the struggles she went through and seeing how she overcame in my like.
Professional life or right now I am hugely inspired by Greta Thunberg. Yeah. She is, just put herself on the world stage and is taking, praise and abuse and being, a young girl to withstand that and to stand up for what she believes in. I think that is giving, a whole generation of kids, someone to look up to.
And right now with the political state the way it is with the climate, the way it is, the people who are going to have the biggest impact is that generation. And I think it's incredibly brave what she's been doing. So yeah I'm inspired by people who stand for what they believe in, even in the face of adversity is very admirable.
And for anyone who's listening, who like doesn't know what they believe in yet or feels like that it's an area that they need to dive into. Again, it's like the similar thing. It's read some books, watch some, there's so many documentaries on Netflix on every different topic, or, go into Google or call someone that to see what they're passionate about.
I'm always amazed at what other people are really committed to. Yeah, we recently recorded with Melissa Dimont and she's a badass at a whole nother level, but then she's saying how she volunteers and she's she already has a full schedule. And she's yeah, big brothers and this and heavy period.
She literally listed like 10 things that she does, and I'm like, I think you are a whole nother level of human, like how much time you apparently make out of a day. But
I was impressed
by those
people.
But I, there's so many amazing things and I think that if there's something that upsets you or calls to you, lean in and do the research, like just like you did.
Yeah. Just something like, it could be sparked by an interest. It doesn't, like you're not even going into it thinking it'll be a passion. And your passion also doesn't have to, doesn't have to be a cause. Like you can be passionate about your friends be the best friend you can possibly be there for your family.
I think a lot of people. When they talk about like their passion or their mission, people think it needs to be something, a big global significance. Cause Yeah, it doesn't have to be. Yeah. As long as you're whatever it is that you love, do that wholeheartedly.
I couldn't agree more.
As we wrap up today, is there anything that we didn't get to talk about that you really want everyone listening to know or to go explore? Oh gosh,
I don't know. Right now, I think right now being the time that we are in. Just stay home one, stay home, stay safe. Check in on your parents, check in on your grandparents.
Buy yourself a mask, buy yourself a mask, sponsor masks. If you have those N95 masks, donate 'em to your local hospital. That, and just be good to each other. Everyone is sitting at home on their computers, on social media and, I've been going through and reading comments on like different posts and whatnot, and people get, they get very brave behind a screen.
And, we don't, right now is when we need to be caring and supportive and show that again, in the face of adversity, like humans are good people. Like we're we can, we have the ability to love and support and be there for each other. And I think it's important in times like this, that's what we choose to do instead of, the negative and, the internet trolls and yeah.
Just be good to each other.
Incredible. This has been such an honor. So nice to meet you. So great to be able to share your story. It's so important what you're doing right now. So thank you again.
Thank you so much for having me. It was an absolute pleasure.
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